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Jethro Jechonias
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.31 16:38:00 -
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Your example is founded on the false assumption that Target Painters are ment to help you hit smaller targets.
They are not!
They have a comparible effect to a gang tracking computer.
Using your example, one would conclude that tracking computers are equally useless.
Try reworking your example so that you are shooting at a target with a base 30-50% chance-to-hit, then see what a target painter does to improve your damage output.
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Jethro Jechonias
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.31 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jethro Jechonias on 31/10/2008 18:19:47
The point is that a single module should not take a target from untrackable to dead.
That was the problem with webs: they gave an effective 900% bonus to tracking, that is 10x better tracking. Obviously that better than the 51.56% bonus provided by Target Painters, which is better than the 30% bonus provided by Tracking Computers.
With the adjustments to speed, there is also an adjustment being made to webs. Instead of 900% bonus to tracking, they now give 150% bonus to tracking. Obviously still better than a TP or TC, but then its range is also more limited.
I think that the new web stats puts it better in line with the other options, making them more appealing by comparision, as they are no longer going to be contrasted with the unreasonable effeciency of webs.
Your Cruiser sized guns have 1/10th of the tracking of the same teir of frigate sized guns. Currently a single webber will make up that entire difference. Hitting a frigate with cruiser sized weapons is supposed to be hard. The game is being rebalanced to keep it that way.
If you want to hit a frigate, then use frigate sized guns.
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Jethro Jechonias
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.31 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jethro Jechonias on 31/10/2008 19:30:36
Under the proper realistic conditions, a target painter will give a 50% to 150% bonus to effective DPS.
The condition for which target painters are intended is when you are orbitting a target that is similar in size to your turrets at a speed that is between 70% slower and 40% faster than the tracking attribute of your turrets.
It is not intended to allow you to sit still and try to swat small fast moving targets, like your example. Nor is it supposed to be useful for laying siege against a huge stationary target.
Try using it for what it was intended to do, or is 50% to 150% more damage not enough of a bonus?
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Jethro Jechonias
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.31 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jethro Jechonias on 31/10/2008 19:42:52
Yes, Target Painters fail in solo combat. There are lots of better uses for your mid slot if your on your own.
The same is true with alot of things. Remote reps don't help with solo setup and are rarely used on ships that don't have a bonus for them. That doesn't mean that they are broken.
Try a senario where a target painter is intended to be used. Not one where you have pre-designed its failure. Originally by: Pac SubCom
There is a reason it's called PWNAGE.
Exactly!
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Jethro Jechonias
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.31 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jethro Jechonias on 31/10/2008 19:46:23
Originally by: Max Hardcase
Jethro;
Web is still superior to TP in that scenario. Oversized target sig radii hardly matter for tracking purposes. transversal velocity is what dominates the tracking formula.
You can web him to a stand still, putting another web on him won't help. You will still benefit from a target painter unless YOU stop moving. But then he can shoot back.
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Jethro Jechonias
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.31 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pac SubCom
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He could be stationary, he could be moving: it doesn't matter.
The point is, in order to utilize the web as a tracking helper, you have to stand still yourself. A web is like webbing yourself. And there goes your speed advantage right out of the window.
Yes, that is what I was trying to say.
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Jethro Jechonias
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.31 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Pac SubCom
Sure. But I just wanted to reiterate.
That and you explained it better than I did.
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